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Well, I have been talking a lot to my dear dA friend, Kurai13.
Mainly about Itachi, Fugaku, Mikoto, Sasuke and Madara,
And the Uchiha clan in general.
I will share some of these conversations here :3

On 4th Birthday:

LoveItaDei:
*hadn't even remembered that this chapter would be the war one* o.o Poor Ita~ *hug*

Kurai13:
Yeah, It's Not Really Mention In The Manga Or The Anime, Only A Few Times If I'm Right. But Itachi Witnessed The War When He Was Four Years Old, I Bet He Had Some Problem Getting Over What He Seen.
So I Guessed He Had A Problem With Post Traumatic Stress Disorder For A Few Months Before Eventually Turning Into A Pacifist.
Well, That's Just Meh Interpretation Of What Could Have Happen, Because Like I Said It's Never Really Too Clear On What Happened.

LoveItaDei:
I guess you're right, I mean, he was just four and all... it's just logical he would have some kind of trauma. Through what they showed, if we see it well, even if it's only a little we can find that they did make it as an ultra-traumatic experience. *nods*

Kurai13:
Definitely, The Most I Can Find About The War And Itachi Is "At the young age of four, he saw countless lives lost to the Third Great Shinobi War suffering emotional damage eventually turned him into a pacifist". Other Than That There Isn't Really Shit About It. I Really Wished Kishimoto Would've Let Us More Insight On Itachi's Thoughts And All. You Ever Notice How It's Always Other People Describing Itachi And Never Once Itachi Himself?

LoveItaDei:
Yeah, Kishi really left that... aside. o.o
Yes, I noticed that, too. But maybe it's because it was to be kept secre until the end, and they wanted to keep him mysterious and stuff...

Kurai13:
Yeah, Maybe. But Honestly I Would Love To See Itachi's Actual Thoughts And Feelings Explored. Itachi Really Is One Of The Most Complex, If Not The Most Complex Character Of Naruto.

LoveItaDei:
I agree. It would be very interesting if they did show that.

On 8th Birthday:

LoveItaDei:
Fugaku is so harsh... *slaps him* Poor Ita *nod*
And yeah, Sasu would be tired of that... eek, being suffocated... would be terrible.

Kurai13:
Well, Again, That Only Meh Opinion, Fugaku Seemed More Serious On Itachi's Future Than Mikoto, Which She Was To Some Extent, However Being The Clan Leader Himself Meant He Would Want His Child To Be The Strongest Heir, So Again, In Meh Belief I Don't Think Fugaku Really Would Have Cared If He Hurt Itachi If It Was In Best Interest Of His Training.

Love Is A Hard Thing To Balance, Too Little Is The Problem Most People Acknowledge, Truth Of The Matter Being You Can Be Loved Too Much . Sasuke Probably Felt Somewhat Suffocated By Being Ignored By His Own Father, And Never Being Able To Spent Time With His Brother. Meaning It Would Literally Only Mean Mikoto, Mikoto, Mikoto.

Again, Those Are Just Meh Opinions. XD

LoveItaDei:
xD Once again, I say you're right... But Fugaku was serious because of the clan, not really Itachi himself, as I see. He wanted Itachi to be good on that because of what they were going to o through, attacking Konoha and all... and the spying part. Little did he know that his weapon would stab him back...

On 9th Birthday:

LoveItaDei:
Poor Ita and Sasu *nod* Fugaku is so focused on the clan, he probably doesn't have any idea of family there...

I've felt like that, yes.

Kurai13:
Thanks.

Again, It's Only Meh Interpretation Of Fugaku, However In The Manga And Anime, It Is Shown He Was Very Adamant About The Clan And Prepping For Itachi's Future.

I Also Took In Account The Uchiha Clan, If You Remember Correctly Before The Massacre Almost All Uchiha Nin Were Exceptionally Gifted Even By Shinobi Standards. So I Really Believe The Dynamics In The Uchiha Clan Would Differ Greatly From Other Families. I Believe Honor And Pride For The Clan Was Expected Out Of Each Member, Or They Would Be Estranged.

Just Take Itachi For Instance When He Spoke Out Against Older Uchiha Members Than Him. There Definitely Was An Expected Level Of Respect There.

Shit, I Answered You Long Again, Sorry.

LoveItaDei:
You're welcome.

Yes, the clan would be the main focuss of all Uchiha. But I think that, Fugaku, as the clan leader, would be more severe even than the others. I mean, his preparing for Itachi's future, even in the anime and mangá, was clearly focussed on the attack they planned. He had the responsability of having an heir that would bring them victory, so if he failed at that, probably not only Itachi, but Fugaku himself, would be looked down upon by the others.

Once again, it's ok :3 I like long answers...

Kurai13:
That's True. It's Similar To Madara If You Think About It. When Madara Was The Leader Of The Uchiha Clan And All Others Wanted Peace With The Senju Clan. His Outspoken Belief, And Considering He Was The Only One Who Foresaw The Lose Of Power To The Uchiha Clan, Was Shunned By The Remaining Members. Obviously Fugaku Had To Be Under A Lot Of Pressure Having That Seat As Leader, However Just For The Advancement Of The Uchiha Clan, Using Itachi And Potentially Starting A War With The Ill Balanced Of Konoha Makes Meh Think That Fugaku May Have Not Sincerely Cared For Anyone Too Much. Probably He Saw His Fellow Clansmen As Tools, Sure He Would Help A Wounded Comrade, But Consider This A Wounded Comrade Can Be Healed And Still Work For The Clan. Whilst A Dead Clan Member Cannot.

LoveItaDei:
True. Also, any clan, no matter how numerous, if they have power and are commonly in battles, not helping comrades would end up extinguishing the clan. But there is also the information thing, so if they had a comrade captured, they could have two choices. One is to eliminate the enemy and get back the captured person, or to kill the captured one. In this case, the killing of a comrade could even be beneficial to the clan, though I don't know how many Uchiha would be willing to do that.

Kurai13:
I Didn't Think Of That Situation. But Again I Was Only Looking Into Fugaku, Not Other Members Of The Clan. Since Other Members Of The Clan Are Not Too Revealed Too Much In Depth. XD

Also, I'd Liked To Add Something About Mikoto. When I First Was Aware Of Sasuke's Mother She Automically Struck Meh As A Maternal, Sweet, Kind Person. However I Think She Wasn't So, If You Think About Mikoto Wasn't As Nice As She Appeared. There A Few Examples but She Openly Became Chiding To Sasuke, Her Favorite Child, When He Mention He Wanted To Play With Itachi. Another Times She Seemed To Obey And Agree Fugaku's Demands Of Itachi, Too. So Really I Don't Believe She Was A Character That Was Truly As She Seemed.

Also, She Was A Jonin, Meaning Since She Was An Uchiha Member And Recongize As One She Could Use The Fire Element And Possibly Another One. As Well As Some Skill In Genjustu And She Must Have Been Observant, Too. Since There Are Common Traits Of Jonin. So I Believed Any Harm That Came To Itachi She Would Just Not Care, Or Overlook It.

Sorry, For The Late Response Had To Use A Narutobook As Reference. XD

LoveItaDei:
Yeah, I was thinking... remember the two from the store? I don't remember how they were related, but the two older Uchihas at the store, they seemed to be less harsh, but still had the clan so high.

Indeed, or also... even her being a jonin, I had seen sometimes that she was worried for Itachi... Once, I think. But she seemed to have not only an agreement with Fugaku's ideas, but some sort of submission to them. She had responsability, too, and even if she weren't as caring as she seemed, it's clear that she at least tried to keep Sasuke away. I think that, maybe, she would be more with Sasuke because of the enormous time Fugaku spent training and preparing Itachi, so she would spend time with Sasuke more. But as for not caring, it can also be because she tried to protect Sasuke as Itachi did, probably not wanting to anger Fugaku with it, or make Itachi and Sasuke create much of a brotherly bond. I mean, that could interfere with the attack, too.

It's ok :3

Kurai13:
Ah, Yeah. I Remember Them.

The Thing Is There Isn't Much Reference For Mikoto And I Would Really Like If Kishimoto Elaborate On Her. Because I Have The Tendency To Cast Her Off As An Uncaring Bitch, But That's Just Meh. XD

Submission Was Common With Wives, Especially The Leader Clan's Wife. I Can Guess Naruto Took Place Sometime In The Past, Meaning How Women Were Held In Regard Would Be Different That Today.

She Showed Favoritism Towards Sasuke, Because Also I Believe He Was An Easy Person, Both In Age And Personality, At That Time To Get Along With. And Also, I Don't Believe The Relationship With Fugaku And Mikoto Was A Romance Much More Along The Like Of An Arranged Marriage. So She Probably Liked Someone Returning Her Need For Affection.

I'm Sure She Cared For Sasuke, Before Massacre I Believe She Said For Sasuke Not To Come In. I'm Not Entirely Sure If She Wanted To Keep Sasuke Away From Fugaku, But It's Possible.

Perhaps She Didn't Care For Itachi, Because She Realized Already The Fate That Itachi Would Have. Essentially Ignoring One Child To Save The Other That Had A Chance Of Escaping Unscathed.

I Do Agree, She Probably Didn't Want To Make Fugaku Angry, From What I've Seen From Both Of Their Personality. Fugaku Is A Rather Dominant Indiviual Whilst As Mikoto Is More Submissive.

LoveItaDei:
You do have a point there, because if she tried enough, she could break bonds with Itachi just like I broke mine with mom. I mean, not completely break it, as if in she may still worry or care to some extent, but not as a mother would usually care for her child. That probably was worked on with time, too.

And yes, Kishimoto puts that Naruto was a mix of past and nowadays, but even so their thecnology is not the same as we have. I mean, they have a TV there, but until now, in the episodes themselves, I've seen one small TV for seeing the tapes that were captured by the security cameras, but that's about if of thecnology, the cameras, TV and Nagato's stuff. I mean, they didn't have anything like cellphones, and all the messages were sent with birds, so I assume he also did keep that female submission matter. Also, with that, he would make Tsunade and Sakura's authority stand out more, while someone like Hinata continues on the same line as Mikoto, and is only changing now. I mean, she obeys orders, and goes with what other people tell. It has just been from a while back to now that Hinata has changed, and I believe Mikoto never did change, because from the beggining she was taught that women should submit.

Anyway, that's just my belief of what would have happened in their past, but I believe Mikoto was raised as submissive, differently from Hinata, who Kishi showed to be made to be strong. But even so, both had a somewhat submissive personality...

Wow, this is long.

Kurai13:
Yes, She Could've If She Wished. To Meh, It Seems She Just Had More Of An Mutual Indifference To Itachi, And More Of A Mother/Son Realtionship With Sasuke.

Ah, I Know What You Mean About Mothers. I Got Problems There, Too.

It's A Mix Of The Past And Present? Fuck, I Never Realized That. Man, I Feel Like An Idiot...

That's True. Sakura And Tsunande Would Have To Stand Out More Considering Their Postions In The Story And Backgrounds. Mikoto And Pre-time Skip Hinata Were Similar but I Agreed. Mikoto Seemed To Be Raise To Submit.

It's Not That Long.XD

Also, What's Your Opinion On Sakura?

LoveItaDei:
Well, about Sakura, I don't have a liking nor disliking to her. I mean, in the beggining, she was pretty useless, but she got strong and is undoubtfully necessary in many of the events that happened. Her actions are based mostly on emotions, most of the times. Not as Naruto, but in her own, slightly obsessive way. Her emotions change a lot, I could say she has some sort of moodswings. She can, at times, be submissive to other's ideas, but mostly tries to take the lead. But some actions of hers are really foolish and not needed. About her trying to kill Sasuke, I don't think she can. I mean, her power is great, but he'll think more emotionlessly. She's lying to herself, and it just doesn't fit right, too. If she tries to kill him, she'd undoubtebly be ignored and thrown aside or killed, but in the actual story it seems like she'll be stopped by Naruto and the others.

In short, she is a nescessary yet overreactive character. On another hand, nearly every anime/mangá has those.

Kurai13:
Let's See. I Have Had Three Main Opinons On Her, Hated Her, Loved Her, Mutual Indifference. I Do Appericate The Concept Behind Her Character, I Love That Kishimoto Tried To Make A "Human" Character That People Could Relate To.

I Think The Main Reason I Hated Her At One Point, Because I Had This Crush On This Dude And In Short, I Was Basically Just Like Sakura At One Point Of Meh Life. I Know How It Feels To Get Your Heart Broken By A Crush, But Seriously. It Was A Crush, That Wasn't Love. I Know Because I Was Around The Same Age As Sakura When I Had That Crush. I Mistaken Thought It Was Love When It Was Only An Infatuation. I Didn't Like How Cruelly She Treated Naruto And I Still Couldn't Believe Naruto Still Had A Crush On Her After All The Shit She Put Him Through. She Is Pretty Selfish And Angry.

She Does Seem To Have Some Mood Swings, Too. Which Is Something I Cring Everytime I See It. I Do Believe A Rather Redeeming Quality Of Hers Is Intelligence, But Other Than That I Don't Like.

Shippuden Sakura, Was Still Trying To Make An Effort To Look More Girly Which I Found Rather Disgusting, But That's Just Meh. I Don't Give A Fuck What I Look Like.

I Have No Doubt In Meh Mind That She Cannot Kill Sasuke, If Sasuke Kills Her I Will Secretly Be Cheering But I Doubt Kishimoto Would Allowed It. She Became The Heroine Of The Series, Apparently, Even Though THat Wasn't What She Was There For.

But Now Meh Opinion Is Mellowed Out, I Don't Really Care If She Does One Thing Or Another. But I Exteremly Disliked That Confession To Naruto. That Was Just Fanservice, Plain And Simple.

LoveItaDei:
Yeah, indeed. I agree with you, sometimes everyone acts like that, expecially with crushes and all, but I think Kishi exagerated her from the very beggining. She was WAY too focused on that one person, Sasuke, and it was so... well, she didn't seem to care for anything else. She only started to work on her training and all to impress him, and then to get him back. I mean, at the same time, Hinata did almost the same, but instead of being as obsessive as Sakura, she took Naruto as an example and wanted to be strong not only to impress him and win him, but because she learned something. Sakura just blindly followed Sasuke until some time ago.

I say the same, that confession was false and completely... not needed. I mean, her doing that, it was only to try and lie to herself and try killing Sasuke. You're also right about what you said, Kishi wouldn't allow that she died, and he can't kill Sasuke either, so... yeah. He really lost many readers already with killing Akatsuki off, I don't think he wants to risk it so much before the end.

I'm also kinda neutral now, not caring and stuff. She's now becoming a rock in the way of both Naruto and Sasuke, even if it's just a tiny peble.

Kurai13:
I Don't Believe Hinata Has An Actual Romantic Crush On Naruto More Of An Admiration Crush. It's Like Meh, I Personally Adored Nikki Sixx, Bassist And Part Song Writer Of Motley Crue, Brides Of Destruction, And Sixx AM, It's Alright If You Don't Know Who He Is. I Look Up To Nikki Sixx Because He Decided To Get His Life Back Together After Using So Much Drugs. Drug Abuse Is Something I Struggle With About A Year Ago, So He Had A Special Place In Meh Heart. It's Admiration I Have For Him, Not Love.

That Confession Was Not Needed. NaruSaku I Cannot See Happening, The Only Relationship That I Believe Is Canon, Though They Said It's Not Is NaruSasu. I Really Believe That Their Relationship Definitely Has The Potential To Be Shounen-ai And It Actually Makes Sense, Too, You Know?

LoveItaDei:
Yeah, you're right. It's like, the idol for her and all. I understand what you mean, I had depression and shit, and words of people from bands and all, people I don't know personally, helped me come over that. I agree with you, Hinata feels that way for Naruto.

I never, ever believed in NaruSaku, I mean, she doesn't love him, and he seems to have gotten over that kind of a crush he had on her. At least seems to. Also, you're right about the NaruSasu. It does make sense, and I think it may happen.

Kurai13:
Music Saves Life.
Simplest Statement Ever.
Oh Yeah, If You Have The Time There Is A Music Video Of Sixx AM I'd Like You To Check Out, The Link Is [Here]. That Song Is Meh Anthem.

I Hope It Will...But It Is A Shounen Manga After All...

So, Since I Asked Your Opinion On Sakura. You Want To Ask Meh Opinion On Another Character? Or Something?

LoveItaDei:
Indeed it does.
Ah, I will listen to it now.

It is, but the audience in shounen mangás has been mostly girls in many places. I mean, in my city, most of the boys like Naruto, but it's just the action stuff, or hentai. I mean, they don't like the character, they don't actually be fans. The moment they get too deep in matters, converstaions and complex stuff, these boys of here have been leaving the fandom. I mean, I speak of what I've seen personally, because in my city 70% of the people who are actually fans that care, are girls.

Well, let me think... what's your opinion on Neji?

Kurai13:
I Don't Know Much About In Meh Area, Not Too Many Of Meh Friends Are Into Naruto. Except For One Of Meh Guy Friends, But He Actually Likes The Characters. Most Of Meh Friends That Like Naruto Are Here On dA. XD

Neji? What Luck I Actually Adore Neji, Maybe Not As Much As Itachi But Still. Neji Was Actually A Very Intelligent And Intimating Character, Granted At First I Didn't Like Him When He Beat Up Hinata. But The Second Hinata "Said It's You Whose Is Suffering Not Meh" Or Something Amongst Those Lines. I Loved His Reaction And Began Very Interested In His Character. I Liked How He Openly Mocked The Senseis For Showing "Special" Treatment To Hinata. I Also Like That Compared To Many Of The Other Character He Was Quite A Realist, Instead Of An Optimist. I Really Do Enjoy Him As A Character, But At Last I'm Not As Well Informed On Neji.

But I Dislike How Little Airtime He Has Gotten In Shippuden.

LoveItaDei:
xD Well, I know a lot from school, but many of my friends, friends, that like Naruto are from here on dA, too.

Yeah, he's really different from the others in that realistic way. It's good that Kishimoto really made a different variety of characters, and not only dreamers, or not only pessimistic and all. He is a character with pride, and he knows his limits, too, at the right times. He's definitely a character that has matured over the series, and did so in a good way.

But yes, he does have little screen time... on the other hand, Gai and Lee have gotten a lot screen time, Neji and Tenten were just kind of left out of that.

Kurai13:
He Is. It's A Good Thing That Kishimoto Has Variety But Have You Ever Noticed How Many Of The Girls In Naruto That Suck?

Hmm, So What's Your Opinion Of Kakashi?

LoveItaDei:
Yes, I have noticed... Kishimoto said once that he has a very big dificulty with female characters.

Well, Kakashi... there's one I don't think about so often. I really would like to see what's beneath the mask, though. I have nothing against him, I actually like him, and the way he changed with Obito and stuff. And he's always trying to have some kind of organization, and tries to be reasonable. He can be really neutral at times, and at others have extreme importance. I like how he got the Mangenkyo that way, even not being Uchiha and all... but I didn't like his coming back from death. I mean, Nagato had that thing in his head for ages, and then Kakashi and a bunch are already dead... what does he do? Pull back and kill himself, and they all live again. If Kishimoto wanted Kakashi alive, he shouldn't have killed him in the first place.

Kurai13:
Yeah, Drawing Them Too. But Something I Actually Like About Kishimoto Most Of His Female Characters Are Not Made Out To Be Like Models Or Drop Dead Gorgeous Like In Other Mangas.

It Is Hinted That Kakashi Is Very Handsome Under The Mask, In Episode 101 Pre-shippuden However Since It Was Not Part Of The Anime, Or Filler One Cannot Be Sure. But In The Manga Covers That Kishimoto Drawn Where Object Normally Obscured His Mask, It's Shown He Has A Narrow Jaw Line. That He Looks Like His Father To, Even Being Mistaken As Him By Chiyo, I Think.

I Like Him, Too. I Really Love His Personality, How Aloof And Absent-minded He Appears, But He Is Actually Quite Intelligent And Skilled. I Love That He Has The Sharingan, But I Didn't Like It When It Started To Become A Phase, You Know? So And So Has The Sharingan But Is Not A Member Of The Uchiha Clan Or So And So Has The Byukagan And Isn't A Member Of The Hyuga Clan.

I Didn't Like That Kakashi Came Back To Life, But I Understood Why Kishimoto Did It. So Kakashi Could Finally Make Peace With Sakumo, His Father.

Kurai13:
Yes, that's also true. *nod*

Yeah, she attacked him and everything because of that... ^^;
Ah, I remember that episode.

Indeed, Kishimoto has spread too much this Byakugan and Sharingan thing... I wonder what he was thinking when he made Danzo have all those Sharingan and all. Kakashi's personality is awesome~ I love it when Gai rants about stuff and Kakashi turns and says "Huh? Did you say something?"

I can understand that, too, but it kind of upsets me what he did about Nagato. I mean, the guy has been with that idea for ages, and in 15 minutes (I know it was more...) someone just convinced him to give it up and kill himself. If he had done it in some other way, or made Nagato not give up so easily, I think I'd accept it better...